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Porn and liberation
October 14, 2005
I started to write a response in the comments section of my last post to a commenter saying
I don’t believe you can sugar coat porn with a new name or description. You can call it erotica or alternative whatever, but the material serves the same purpose, which is to get people aroused. Stimulating the intellect towards sex is no different than base arousal of pornograpy, just a longer route. If there is ever to be acceptance of porn, the people need to be honest about it. Nobody is going to buy that whatever you are calling it. What Bella is doing is not liberating or intellectual.
Firstly, if you’ve got sugar coated altporn (I mean “pin-ups,” some don’t like the four letter p word) in mind - that’s entirely wrong for Bella Vendetta. BV is about the least sugar coated site I’ve ever seen - blood and bile coated is more like it.
That detail aside, I do know what you’re getting at: pictures of naked people are for me (or you) to masturbate to, don’t bullshit yourself.
I’ve been watching the alt porn scene develop over the past few years - in both prurient and more studious contexts - and it’s been interesting to see the ways that discourse moves around liberation, sex positivity, and the politics of using words like “art,” “porn,” “erotica,” and “pin-up.”
Many folks who aren’t accustomed to a steady diet of porn find it sleazy or cheesy when they do see it - or those are the words they use to describe it in mixed company at least. Couples want to see stuff that is more palatable, young people want to see performers they can relate to, with a slightly alternative, tongue in cheek style. And so - the birth of alt porn. Suicide Girls is a really great example of the movement, partly because they’ve been getting a lot of flak recently as people call bullshit on their management practices (though its important to say that many many alt porn sites have impeccable management practices).
Many of the now-ex models from SG said that one of the main points of attraction to the site was the voice they were given (forums, journals) and the female empowerment message of the site being run by a woman. But it turns out that a lot of that is just marketing bullshit, aimed both at consumers concerned with exploitation and the young, often feminist, models. This is not to say that it’s impossible to run a smut business ethically - I seen it! - it’s really awesome that there is demand for ethically run smut sites.
But buried in a much of the altporn and pin-up site ethos seems to be the idea that for a woman to be liberated and her admirers to be liberated, the images shouldn’t be hardcore. I find this to be a weirdly hypocritical, thinly veiled and well, just stupid, way of covering up the fact that these sites are for people to get off to. When you put a bunch of girls in narrative strip-down sets on a website, it’s for masturbating. And there’s nothing inherently wrong, debasing or oppressive about that. It’s fucked up production and model management that makes this stuff “bad,” not getting naked itself.
I’m not saying that all altporn sites should be hardcore - I’m just saying that a little straightforwardness about what the stuff is for is needed. Celebration of bodies and sexuality has immense potential to be liberating, but I’d be the last one to claim that the act of getting naked on camera is liberating for all people at all times, just as I wouldn’t say its exploitative across the board.
Though there are issues with alt porn, I also think that it has pushed a really interesting thing forward - communities around porn. It can be argued that the adult industry has always had its own kind of community - people in the business are stigmatized at all different levels, which kind of forces them into a default community, but the internet and the new generation of porn makers and consumers that have come with it has really revolutionized this. A lot of the alt porn sites have very active message boards, where models, fans and company staff mingle, bitch, laugh, argue and sing each other’s praises. I personally think that’s pretty fucking cool. I like that porn is being destigmatized in that way - that it’s ok, even cool to talk about it. Sure, this in some ways is an extension of the porno chic that was ushered in when Deep Throat debuted in the early seventies - but I think (or hope at least) that its something more than that, that its becoming more okay to talk about sex, turn ons, and all that good stuff.
Maybe that is reading into it too much, intellectualizing something that’s really at base matter of getting off. However, I think its pretty fucking cool to try and reach a balance between the prurient and the intellectual, mix them together a bit and see what happens. You can be a thinking person (about porn even) and still dig the nasty stuff, and maybe the combination of thinking and nasty will yield some awesome new porn.
Posted by Dacia at October 14, 2005 01:05 AM
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In my opinion, porn is all porn. If it is meant to turn me on, and arouse me, it is porn. Now, that doesn’t mean it all does a good job of this, some of it is my style and some isn’t. And so long as the subjects are consenting, I don’t have a problem with its existence.
People need to lighten up and get out of the business of making other people have the same sexual opinions as themselves. In fact, the FBI has begun raiding written erotica authors. ( http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4723 ) I’m still not sure how they can consider written erotica to be exploiting children.
Anyways, I digress, I just wanted to generally agree with your comments and say hello. I came across your journal from a posting on lj’s polyamory group and find you to be a really fascinating person. I’m married, we’re poly, and I work midtown. Unfortunately I don’t think we’d travel in similar circles. For the moment, I plan on keeping tabs on your journal, though.
Posted by: Ioldanach at October 14, 2005 10:30 AM
Fine points made! As an intelligent, sensitive and intuitive (and married!) man who also greatly enjoys his collection of hardore porn, I appreciate your notes outlining the positives in the porn community. The 2257 law and this administration have just become porn-obsessive in a terrible way, to help distract from their continuous blunders and to appease the Christian right that they’re “cleaning up America”. It makes even us sane, adult, decent, good-hearted porn lovers feel dejected and misunderstood.
I also find it ineresting with the growth of “altporn” that it shows how parts of our society are expressing and defining their sexuality in their own language, not adopting an existing framework in which to place it. This is encouraging. We are then able to explore the variety in sexual expression, as honestly displayed by adults of different races, creeds and social groups.
Here in the States, most people still have the knee-jerk reaction of attacking or dismissing porn as ever being a valid part of an adult’s sex life, something which I hope will change in time. Not that everyone is expected to like everything that the porn community creates, but many people must be able to see the individuals who produce, what they are like, how they contribute, what role the performers play and such, and then applaud what is worthwhile.
But then, this still might be very subjective. It could be a long time before I can openly discuss in mixed company what I consider well-shot, well cast anal porn and what is bollocks…
Posted by: Brian at October 14, 2005 11:35 AM
Interesting editorial.
Posted by: stacie at October 14, 2005 10:32 PM
altporn as you refer to it is, I believe, more of an offshoot of the whole “alt” movement than an outgrowth of porn itself. The underlying ideas conveyed by its producers or perceived by its viewers or have less to do with the content and more to do with method of delivery.
Personally, I like the whole thing (altporn). As much as I like altporn though, I don’t believe it means our society as a whole has embraced pornography in a larger context and I am reluctant to agree altporn legitimizes porn as well.
I think it has more to do with aspects of the “alt” lifestyle being embraced by a wider percentage of the population. Things once considered deviant, fetishistic or alternative are certainly more prevalent within society than even a decade earlier - the increasing popularity of piercing and tattooing come to mind.
Porn in the last 50 years, has changed to mirror advances in technology. These advances have affected many areas of daily life, porn does not exist in a vacuum. Over the last five decades porn moved from seedy b/w super 8 shorts and glossy pinups of Playboy, to theatrically released films and more explicit “hardcore” magazines, to video and cable distribution and finally the internet. Each development mirrored an advance in technology which made distribution cheaper and put tools to produce pornography in the hands of more people.
A growing number of amateur websites evidence this trend - digital photography means people no longer need suffer through finding a lab they can trust to develop pictures of an intimate nature.
The underlying changes in technology have implications for society (and consequently the porn industry) not anticipated or foreseen.
Women coming of age now are also very different than their predecessors. In American society the role of women has metamorphosized over the last twenty years. Women are very different in how they’re raised today, in their expectations and goals. Imagine, girl’s sports almost entirely absent from the lives of girls growing up in the seventies, is today the rule rather than the exception. How can a societal shift such as this not be reflected in porn as well?
The whole issue of porn and it’s role in our lives will ever be a delicate one. There will always be promoters as well as detractors partially because the underlying nature of pornography is to titillate and entice in part by displaying the taboo.
Bearing this in mind, we must acknowledge porn is a refelection of the society producing it. As we witness other advances in technology and science and how society grapples with each new advance trying to come to terms with the change. Porn we find becomes no different than (for example) something like stem-cell research or human cloning, something which challenges the moral and ethical framework within which it exists.
Of course that being said, it doesn’t mean we can’t have fun along the way.
Posted by: mister_pj at October 15, 2005 02:44 AM
It always made me sad to see the naive models on SG who would get so offended when people would call what they do porn. Somehow “erotica” and “pin-up” are seen as liberating and porn is just shameful. Personally I don’t find photos arousing enough to get off to, but its still porn.
For me the liberating thing about modeling is that it is something I choose to do because I enjoy it, not because I feel I have to.
Posted by: Leila at October 15, 2005 12:13 PM
The ‘no pussy’ thing in alt always puzzled me from an aethetic point of view, but never from an economic one. Showing pussy takes you and your work across a boundary that cuts you off from the larger share of money there is to be made from your efforts.
Posted by: Tony Comstock at October 16, 2005 04:22 PM
I am glad that you understand the point I am making. As internet porn is starting to face blow back from having a decade of unprecendented growth, the people that produce and participate in the industry needs to be unapologetic about what they do. Granted, being a pornographer is not a favorable term, it would be best to embrace the term and make it positive. A sensible, thoughtful pornographer would do much better than the clowns who are running suicide girls or girls gone wild.
Posted by: evan at October 16, 2005 06:15 PM
A disturbing (re)new(ed) trend:
Posted by: algor_langeaux at October 17, 2005 07:01 AM
(click on my name, below, for the link to more information about the FBI’s renewed attacks on porn)
Posted by: algor_langeaux at October 17, 2005 07:04 AM
I always thought that one of the interesting things about porn is that it it one of the only industries where women dominate the pay roll and get paid much much more than the males they work with.
Posted by: Shay at October 17, 2005 12:01 PM

